Talk:Children's Crusade

Pied Piper

Would it be relevant to mention that some people cite the Children's Crusade as the source of the Pied Piper story?--BruceGrubb (talk) 23:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

No. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

What a boring and dismissive response to an interesting and plausible interpretation of the Pied Piper of Hamelin. No wonder Wikipedia is in a malaise. AndrewHart500 (talk) 09:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Issue with Sources

There were only 2 recent sources, and there are a couple of footnotes ("1" and "who") that need clarification. Some sources are missing too, unable to click on the link.

Brittn3 (talk) 17:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Removed sentence fragment

The following is the sentence fragment from the 'In the arts' section. "ger who seeks to reclaim the City of Jerusalem and sets out with his friends, and later with many other followers."Wzrd1 (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Cultural references

Per this community RfC, cultural references need to include secondary sourcing establishing not only the existence but the significance of the reference. At the moment the content below lacks such sourcing; it will need appropriate citations in order to be included. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not "in popular culture" that's your interpretation. Sure sources can be added but that's no reason to immediately delete the entire section that has been in place for decades without complaint. That RfC is not a hard red line either every article has its own talk page and consensus. What's your rush? Slow down, your deleting stuff all over Wikipedia at a very rapid pace, sorry if this dispute slows you down some, that's just how it is not everyone will agree with you in every article. -- GreenC 04:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

If you believe it can be sourced, by all means source it. But being longstanding doesn't mean it should be restored unsourced. It certainly doesn't mean it cannot be tagged. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Longstanding is a type of consensus. Also that RfC is not very strong: old, not many attendees, many of the votes are nuanced, the closer did not incorporate many of the comments it's a simple close IMO. Something as far reaching as this should be codified in guidelines or policy and not for such massive deletions across all of Wikipedia. -- GreenC 04:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

"Longstanding" is no longer consensus once someone voices disagreement, and "longstanding" is not an exemption from the burden to provide sourcing. As to your concern about level of consensus: a community consensus is stronger than a local one, particularly one only assumed based on lack of complaint, but as it happens this consensus is indeed codified, in MOS:CULTURALREFS (which also notes that such content may have headings other than "in popular culture"). Nikkimaria (talk) 05:05, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended content

In the arts Many works of art reference the Children's Crusade; this list is focused on works that are set in Middle Ages and focus primarily on a re-telling of the events. For other uses see Children's Crusade (disambiguation). Books La Croisade des enfants ("The Children's Crusade", 1896) by Marcel Schwob. Pied Piper (1930), a novel by Daphne Muir (also published with title The Lost Crusade) "The Chalet School and Barbara" Elinor Brent-Dyer (1954), the Christmas play references the Children's crusade. The Children's Crusade (1958), children's historical novel by Henry Treece, includes a dramatic account of Stephen of Cloyes attempting to part the sea at Marseille. The Gates of Paradise (1960), a novel by Jerzy Andrzejewski centres on the crusade, with the narrative employing a stream of consciousness technique. The March of the Innocents (1964), a novel by John Wiles which retells the traditional French story of Stephen of Cloyes, with the relationships between the protagonists being more important than the narrative. Very gritty, especially when describing the excesses of the Albigensian Crusade. Sea and Sunset (1965), a short story by Yukio Mishima (part of a collection entitled Acts of Worship), portrayed an old French man who took part in the Children's Crusade as a boy and, through complicated circumstances, wound up in Japan. Slaughterhouse-Five (or, The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death), is a 1969 novel by American author Kurt Vonnegut, telling the story of Billy Pilgrim, a young American soldier, and his experience during World War II. The alternative title references The Children's Crusade and compares it to World War II, suggesting it was yet another war fought by children who were drafted into the army at a very young age. Crusade in Jeans (Dutch: Kruistocht in spijkerbroek), is a 1973 novel by Dutch author Thea Beckman and a 2006 film adaptation about the Children's Crusade through the eyes of a time traveler. An Army of Children (1978), a novel by Evan Rhodes that tells the story of two boys, a Catholic and a Jew, partaking in the Children's Crusade. Angeline (2004), a novel by Karleen Bradford about the life of a girl, Angeline, a priest, and Stephen of Cloyes after they are sold into slavery in Cairo. The Crusade of Innocents (2006), a novel by David George, suggests that the Children's Crusade may have been affected by the concurrent crusade against the Cathars in Southern France, and how the two could have met. The Scarlet Cross (2006), a novel for youth by Karleen Bradford. 1212: Year of the Journey (2006), a novel by Kathleen McDonnell. Young adult historical novel. Sylvia (2006), a novel by Bryce Courtney. Follows a teenage girl during the crusades. Crusade (2011), a children's historical novel by Linda Press Wulf. The True History of the Children's Crusade (2013), a graphic novel by Privo di Casato, narrated from the perspective of Stephen of Cloyes. 1212 (1985), a quartet of historical novels aimed at children and young adults by Danish author and journalist Carsten Overskov. Matrix (2021), a novel by Lauren Groff. Follows a fictionalized version of Marie de France and her thoughts on the crusade. Comics The Children's Crusade, an overarching title that covers a seven issue comic crossover published for Vertigo Comics which seemingly links the event to other events such as the true event that inspired the story of the Pied Piper. Published in 2015 by Vertigo Comics as Free Country: A Tale of the Children's Crusade. Innocent shōnen jūjigun (インノサン少年十字軍, The Crusade of the Innocent Boys), a manga written by Usamaru Furuya (Manga F Erotics, 2005~2011, 3 volumes). Plays Cruciadă copiilor (en. Children's Crusade) (1930), a play by Lucian Blaga based upon the Crusade. The Children's Crusade (1973), a play by Paul Thompson first produced at the Cockpit Theatre (Marylebone), London by the National Youth Theatre. A Long March To Jerusalem (1978), a play by Don Taylor about the story of the Children's Crusade. The Fire of Roses (2003), a novel by Gregory Rinaldi Crusade of Tears (2004), a novel from the series Journey of Souls by C.D. Baker. Musicals Crusade (1998), a musical by Craig Christie and Wayne Hosking. Music La Croisade des Enfants (1902), a seldom-performed oratorio by Gabriel Pierné, featuring a children's chorus, based on La croisade des enfants ("The Children's Crusade") by Marcel Schwob. The Death of the Bishop of Brindisi (1963), a dramatic cantata for two soloists, chorus, children's chorus and orchestra with words and music by Gian Carlo Menotti, focused on a Bishop's regret for having blessed the doomed journey of the children. "Children's Crusade", a contemporary opera by R. Murray Schafer, first performed in 2009. "Children's Crusade", a song by Sting from his 1985 album The Dream of the Blue Turtles. Not about the event as such, but using the name as an analogy. "Children's Crusade", a song by Tonio K from his 1988 album Notes from the Lost Civilization. "Untitled Track", a song by The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud, found originally on the 10" EP Yndalongg (1996), then re-released as the track "XII" on the CD Rest on Your Arms Reversed (1999), which tells a version of the story of the Children's Crusade and implies that the visions were inspired by the Devil. Seminal Australian progressive rock band Cinema Prague named their 1991 tour "The Children's Crusade" as a satirical reference to the ages of the members of the band, for at the time, most of the band were still teenagers. Movies Gates to Paradise (1968), a film version by Andrzej Wajda of the Jerzy Andrzejewski novel. Lionheart (1987), a historical/fantasy film, loosely based on the stories of the Children's Crusade. Crusade in Jeans, a.k.a. A March Through Time (2006), a motion picture predicated on unintentional travel by a soccer-playing boy from the modern Netherlands to the legendary German Children's Crusade led by Nicholas.